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Post by Robocop on Sept 7, 2007 6:31:00 GMT -5
The bunnies move. You must have a weird computer.
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Post by Darkfire on Sept 7, 2007 6:33:05 GMT -5
Terminator could you not posy that pic the eyes scare me
and terminator robocop wins becouse
1.the comics/games are the only source of this making it very canon 2.while skynet has millions of units for battle robocop is ussally by himslef if he dies then the ENTIRE robocop universe is gone 3.Face it in comics/games/tv EVIL never wins
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Post by Robocop on Sept 7, 2007 6:39:29 GMT -5
What is "canon"? Some kind of virtual refereeing service?
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Post by Darkfire on Sept 7, 2007 6:43:11 GMT -5
This is only an example by using STAR WARS CANON [glow=red,2,300]note its big[/glow]
canon was first defined in the first issue of the Lucasfilm magazine, the Star Wars Insider:
"'Gospel,' or canon as we refer to it, includes the screenplays, the films, the radio dramas and the novelizations. These works spin out of George Lucas' original stories, the rest are written by other writers. However, between us, we've read everything, and much of it is taken into account in the overall continuity. The entire catalog of published works comprises a vast history—with many off-shoots, variations and tangents—like any other well-developed mythology." To understand canon and continuity, the overall Star Wars saga should be looked at as a set of stories written by many different people which "document" past "events." Although some stories are more reliable than others, they all are looked upon as part of the overall "history." It should also be remembered that all of these stories are simply that—stories. There are numerous errors that inevitably arise between the stories simply because different authors have their own ways of telling the story and may not have the time and resources to perfectly align the details.
The situation can be compared to Greek and Roman mythology, or the stories of King Arthur. Much as these tales are, the various Star Wars are a group of separate but linked stories, and are told by many different authors over a period of time.
Contents [hide] 1 Canon and the Expanded Universe 1.1 Canon and games 2 George Lucas and Star Wars Canon 3 Canon in the Holocron continuity database 4 Notes and references 5 See also 6 External links
[edit] Canon and the Expanded Universe This policy has been further refined and fleshed out over the years. The Star Wars website also details the role of canon, Expanded Universe (or "EU" sources), and how they fit into overall Star Wars continuity. Chris Cerasi stated,
"When it comes to absolute canon, the real story of Star Wars, you must turn to the films themselves—and only the films. Even novelizations are interpretations of the film, and while they are largely true to George Lucas' vision (he works quite closely with the novel authors), the method in which they are written does allow for some minor differences. The novelizations are written concurrently with the film's production, so variations in detail do creep in from time to time. Nonetheless, they should be regarded as very accurate depictions of the fictional Star Wars movies. "The further one branches away from the movies, the more interpretation and speculation come into play. LucasBooks works diligently to keep the continuing Star Wars expanded universe cohesive and uniform, but stylistically, there is always room for variation. Not all artists draw Luke Skywalker the same way. Not all writers define the character in the same fashion. The particular attributes of individual media also come into play. A comic book interpretation of an event will likely have less dialogue or different pacing than a novel version. A video game has to take an interactive approach that favors gameplay. So too must card and roleplaying games ascribe certain characteristics to characters and events in order to make them playable. "The analogy is that every piece of published Star Wars fiction is a window into the 'real' Star Wars universe. Some windows are a bit foggier than others. Some are decidedly abstract. But each contains a nugget of truth to them. Like the great Jedi Master Obi-Wan Kenobi said, 'many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our point of view.'" Lucas Licensing editor Sue Rostoni elaborated further on the place of printed Expanded Universe sources in Star Wars Gamer 6,
"Canon refers to an authoritative list of books that the Lucas Licensing editors consider an authentic part of the official Star Wars history. Our goal is to present a continuous and unified history of the Star Wars galaxy, insofar as that history does not conflict with, or undermine the meaning of Mr. Lucas's Star Wars saga of films and screenplays." In a December 6, 2006 post on the official Star Wars forums, Leland Chee ("keeper" of the Holocron) made this comment in response to a question regarding whether Sansweet's "foggy window" was a window into the "real Star Wars Universe of the Films Only" or the "Star Wars Universe of the Films + EU continuity":
"Film+EU continuity. Anything not in the current version of the films is irrelevant to Film only continuity." [edit] Canon and games Things are a bit more complicated with the matter of Star Wars games. The overall scenario and documentation (manuals, strategy guides etc) are proper EU (see C-canon below). This, however, doesn't apply to "game mechanics" and stats.
Game mechanics are the "artistic license" properties of the game that separate any computer game from reality and serve to make a game more playable and enjoyable; for example Kyle Katarn singlehandedly defeating a whole base of stormtroopers, carrying 10 weapons simultaneously, and fully recovering from wounds when touching a Bacta tank etc are things not possible in real world and perhaps in the Star Wars universe either. Game mechanics are also some special effects accompanying the use of Force powers, such as sounds and glow surrounding the caster, which never appear in the movies. Health, shield and Force repository are also game mechanics. Stats are also considered game mechanics and include details such as weapon damage, speed, length and size of vessels and character stats (strength, intelligence, dexterity, health points etc) as shown in RPG sourcebooks; these are not considered canon, but the background information given in the sourcebooks such as biographies, stories, blueprints is proper canon. In mission and quest solving, canon is assumed to be the fullest and best outcome possible of each mission/quest available as given in the briefing or scenario. Kyle Katarn, Keyan Farlander, Maarek Stele, Jaden Korr, etc. never failed their quests. Although the player can avoid some optional quests, canon assumes that those heroes managed to complete all the "available" feats. In side-choosing games such as the Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic series and Dark Forces saga where the player has the choice between light side and dark side, as of yet, the light side ending has been verified as canonical by Lucasfilm in all games. It is not known however if it does impose additional restrictions on the secondary story, and the outcome of any individual alignment-defining sidequest or choice in the game is not strictly set. For example the protagonist of KOTOR canonically followed the light and helped the Galactic Republic destroy the Star Forge but that doesn't mean that he didn't kill Bendak Starkiller or that he didn't join the Genoharadan (both dark-aligned options in the game). However, Wookieepedia articles assume that the player picks the light side choice for all scenarios; therefore, even the secondary choices and events pertaining to the dark side are considered non-canon. On the other hand, ambiguity is maintained when it comes to alternative choices and solutions to puzzles with the same outcome. For example in KOTOR, the fate of droid C8-42 is up to the player; although dark side]] options can be excluded according to the above, there are still some neutral or light-sided options possible and none of them can be taken for sure to be the 'true' one. Problem exists also with customizable options such as the species or gender or alignment of the main character, until Lucasfilm releases a definite answer on this. Until then, canon is left uncertain, such as the species of Jaden Korr, which as of 2007, has not been established. Events and persons that are 'triggered' when the non-canonical gender is selected (for example, Brianna joins the Jedi Exile only if s/he is male) are non-canon as well. [edit] George Lucas and Star Wars Canon In the introduction to the 1994 printing of Splinter of the Mind's Eye, Lucas offered his view on the evolution of the Star Wars saga:
"After Star Wars was released, it became apparent that my story—however many films it took to tell—was only one of thousands that could be told about the characters who inhabit its galaxy. But these were not stories I was destined to tell. Instead they would spring from the imagination of other writers, inspired by the glimpse of a galaxy that Star Wars provided. Today it is an amazing, if unexpected, legacy of Star Wars that so many gifted writers are contributing new stories to the Saga." Another notable mention, is this quote from an interview in the August/September 1999 issue of SW Insider:
"Part of the job of the director is to sort of keep everything in line, and I can do that in the movies—but I can't do it on the whole Star Wars universe." In July 2001, Lucas gave his opinion on the matter of what is canon in Star Wars during an interview with Cinescape magazine:
"There are two worlds here," explained Lucas. "There's my world, which is the movies, and there's this other world that has been created, which I say is the parallel universe—the licensing world of the books, games and comic books. They don't intrude on my world, which is a select period of time, [but] they do intrude in between the movies. I don't get too involved in the parallel universe." Further, in an August 2005 interview in Starlog magazine:
STARLOG: "The Star Wars Universe is so large and diverse. Do you ever find yourself confused by the subsidiary material that's in the novels, comics, and other offshoots?" LUCAS: "I don't read that stuff. I haven't read any of the novels. I don't know anything about that world. That's a different world than my world. But I do try to keep it consistent. The way I do it now is they have a Star Wars Encyclopedia. So if I come up with a name or something else, I look it up and see if it has already been used. When I said [other people] could make their own Star Wars stories, we decided that, like Star Trek, we would have two universes: My universe and then this other one. They try to make their universe as consistent with mine as possible, but obviously they get enthusiastic and want to go off in other directions." Lucas' statements in Starlog were commented on in a December 7, 2005 post on the starwars.com forums by Leland Chee, who maintains Lucas Licensing's continuity database:
CHEE: "GL is certainly not bound by the EU, though he's certainly open to using things created in it (Aayla Secura and the Coruscant name, for example). On the other hand, the quote you provide makes it sound like the EU is separate from George's vision of the Star Wars universe. It is not. The EU must follow certain tenets set by George through the films and other guidelines that he provides outside of the films." A conversation between Lucas and John Knoll in a web diary during the production of Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith showed more of the movie/Expanded Universe relationship:
"So how did Anakin get that scar, George?" asks John Knoll. "I don't know. Ask Howard," says George, referring to President of Lucas Licensing Howard Roffman. "That's one of those things that happens in the novels between the movies. I just put it there. He has to explain how it got there. I think Anakin got it slipping in the bathtub, but of course, he's not going to tell anybody that." [edit] Canon in the Holocron continuity database In 2000, Lucas Licensing appointed Leland Chee to create a continuity-tracking database referred to as the Holocron continuity database. The Holocron follows the canon policy that has been in effect for years, but the capabilities of database software allow for each element of a story, rather than the stories themselves, to be classified on their own merits.
The Holocron's database includes an area for a single-letter (G, C, S, N or T) representing the level of canonicity of that element; these letters have since informally been applied to the levels of canon themselves: G-canon, C-canon, S-canon, N-canon and T-canon. As part of his work with the Holocron, Chee was responsible for the creation of this classification, and he spent the early stages developing and refining them into what they are today.
G, C, S and T together form the overall Star Wars continuity. Each ascending level typically overrides the lower ones; for example, Boba Fett's back story was radically altered with the release of Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones, forcing the retcon of older source material to fall in line with the new G-canon back story. However, this is not always absolute, and the resolution of all contradictions are handled on a case-by-case basis.
G-canon is "George Lucas" canon; the six Episodes and anything directly provided to Lucas Licensing by Lucas (including unpublished production notes from him or his production department that are never seen by the public). Elements originating with Lucas in the movie novelizations, reference books, and other sources are also G-canon, though anything created by the authors of those sources is C-canon. When the matter of changes between movie versions arises, the most recently released editions are deemed superior to older ones, as they correct mistakes, improve consistency between the two trilogies, and express Lucas's current vision of the Star Wars universe most closely.
C-canon is "continuity" canon, consisting of all recent works (and many older works) released under the name of Star Wars: books, comics, games, cartoons, non-theatrical films, and more. Games are a special case, as generally only the stories are C-canon, while things like stats and gameplay may not be; they also offer non-canonical options to the player, such as choosing female gender for a canonically male character. C-canon elements have been known to appear in the movies, thus making them G-canon; examples include the name "Coruscant," swoop bikes, Quinlan Vos, Aayla Secura, YT-2400 freighters and Action VI transports.
S-canon is "secondary" canon; the materials are available to be used or ignored as needed by current authors. This includes mostly older works, such as much of the Marvel Star Wars comics, that predate a consistent effort to maintain continuity; it also contains certain elements of a few otherwise N-canon stories, and other things that "may not fit just right." Many formerly S-canon elements have been elevated to C-canon through their inclusion in more recent works by continuity-minded authors, while many other older works (such as The Han Solo Adventures) were accounted for in continuity from the start despite their age, and thus were always C-canon.
N-canon is "non-canon." What-if stories (such as stories published under the Infinities label) and anything else directly and irreconcilably contradicted by higher canon ends up here. N-canon is the only level that is not considered canon by Lucasfilm.
T-canon[1] refers to the canon level comprising only the two television shows: Star Wars: The Clone Wars and the Star Wars live-action TV series. Its level in canon is currently unknown.
Leland Chee continues to answer questions about the Holocron in the Holocron continuity database questions thread at the starwars.com forums.
On August 4, 2004, when asked if the G and C-levels formed separate and independent canon, Leland Chee responded by stating that both were part of a single canon:
"There is one overall continuity." In a December 7, 2005 post, Chee commented on how the Holocron is applied to licensees:
"The Holocron comes into play for anything official being developed for books, games, websites, and merchandise. For anything beyond that, it is simply a reference tool." In a December 6, 2006 post, Chee contradicted his original statements regarding the canonicity of the Holocron and how it applied to the Star Wars universe:
"The only relevant official continuities are the current versions of the films alone, and the combined current version of the films along with whatever else we've got in the Holocron. You're never going to know what George's view of the universe beyond the films at any given time because it is constantly evolving." On a post made on the same day, Mr. Chee stated that:
"Anything not in the current version of the films is irrelevant to Film only continuity." This statement confirms the priority of the "current version of the films" over the original versions, as well as the existence of two separate continuities, the "film only" continuity maintained and followed by George Lucas himself, and the "film + EU" continuity that is used for licensed products.
Subsequent questioning over which continuity was "more official" revealed that Mr. Chee favored film + EU continuity, but in the end it was up to the individual fan:
"You're asking the Keeper of the Holocron, so of course I'm gonna be a bit biased ... The reality is that a huge number of people who have seen all 6 Star Wars films have never played a Star Wars game, visited a Star Wars website, watched a Star Wars television program, read a Star Wars publication, or purchased a Star Wars action figure or collectible. It would be great disservice to discount these people as fans."
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Post by Robocop on Sept 7, 2007 6:45:38 GMT -5
Okay...
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Post by Darkfire on Sept 7, 2007 6:46:52 GMT -5
That was only STAR WARS canon though but thats preety much it
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Post by Robocop on Sept 7, 2007 6:50:33 GMT -5
Interesting. You learn all kinds of stuff online, don't you?
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Post by Darkfire on Sept 7, 2007 7:22:51 GMT -5
(looks around)
MYBE
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Post by Kei-Lin on Sept 7, 2007 10:47:30 GMT -5
Well, Robocop can learn that he is about to be terminated...
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Post by Sweet Eet on Sept 7, 2007 12:31:26 GMT -5
CANON = a set of rules, or logic, governing a belief or set of beliefs.
Darkfire gets all kinda cool pix online!
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Post by Robocop on Sept 7, 2007 14:14:33 GMT -5
I know he does.
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Post by Sweet Eet on Sept 7, 2007 15:35:59 GMT -5
Darkfire should find some cool pix of elves...
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Post by Kei-Lin on Sept 7, 2007 15:43:57 GMT -5
LOL. Why, are you one fo them?
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Post by Sweet Eet on Sept 7, 2007 16:56:09 GMT -5
Yes, in the new game he started!
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Post by Robocop on Sept 7, 2007 20:20:24 GMT -5
Aw cool, man! Steal me some gold!
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